Session Start: Sat Nov 02 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[10:02]<+Craig> Morning Guys
[10:02]<+camerongray> Hey Craig
[10:02]<+Craig> How goes it?
[10:02]<+camerongray> Good thanks, working on coursework again :P
[10:02]<+Craig> Ahhh
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[11:07]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[11:07]<@Calum> hey camerongray
[11:38]<jamer> hm ...
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[12:01]<+camerongray> jamer: huh?
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[12:26]<guest_92> :D
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[12:28]<pcdoc_unidentified> Hi camerongray
[12:29]<+camerongray> lol, hey
[12:29]<pcdoc_unidentified> On an ipad, typing and identifying nick with pass is nightmare
[12:29]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[12:30]<+camerongray> I was caught using Colloquy on iOS when it sent the ident command into a channel (Including password) instead of processing it :P
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[12:34]<guest_92> Lol ipad goes into idle mode, screen turns off
[12:35]<guest_92> And mibbit reconnects
[12:35]<+camerongray> lol
[12:35]<+camerongray> Probably better to get an actual client for it rather than using Mibbit
[12:38]<guest_92> It's my mum's. If i install client. It may be mis-used
[12:38]<guest_92> I mean she won't know what it is
[12:38]<guest_92> Lol
[12:39]<guest_92> Mom's*
[12:39]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:41]<jamer> my bnc is being shut down :(
[12:42]<+camerongray> IRCCloud?
[12:42]<jamer> yeah ... went from beta to actual
[12:42]<+camerongray> Ahh, why can't you continue it?
[12:43]<jamer> its 5 dollars a month
[12:43]<+camerongray> Ahh - That's not too bad
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[12:44]<jamer> no but i dont have the money to pay for it
[12:45]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:45]<jamer> though i might buy a server (birthday money)
[12:46]<jamer> or buy a decent desktop and use my own one as a server
[12:46]<+camerongray> Hmm, What would you run on it?
[12:47]<jamer> ive got windows server 2012 :P
[12:47]<+camerongray> Yeah, but what would it "serve" :P
[12:48]<jamer> minecraft tekkit and teamspeak
[12:48]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:48]<+camerongray> In that case you would probably be better renting something like a dedicated machine/VPS
[12:48]<+camerongray> Your home connection is probably too slow for a server to run well
[12:49]<jamer> ask Immental1200 and a couple of my friends ... my internet is fast enough to run all 3 at the same time XD
[12:49]<+camerongray> What is your upload speed?
[12:50]<+camerongray> A proper server will be close to 100 up and down
[12:50]<jamer> i dont have either up or down ....
[12:50]<+camerongray> speedtest.net?
[12:51]<+camerongray> I have a home server but it's used for stuff like file storage and development - Anything important runs on a proper colocated system
[12:51]<+camerongray> Also need to factor in the cost of power to power the server
[12:51]<jamer> http://www.speedtest.net/result/3074691529.png
[12:52]<+camerongray> Ouch :P
[12:52]<+camerongray> If you want to host stuff for other people to access over the internet you are much better off renting something on a better connection
[12:52]<jamer> its for my own stuff XD
[12:53]<+camerongray> But the Minecraft/Tekkit server, isn't that for other people to play on over the internet?
[12:53]<jamer> yeah
[12:53]<+camerongray> Then your connection will likely be a bottleneck
[12:53]<jamer> we havent had any lag yet
[12:53]<+camerongray> Then you need to factor in the cost of the actual hardware
[12:55]<+camerongray> Just something to think about
[12:55]<jamer> lol i know .... i recently got a spec sheet and prices for those parts for a friend ... 778 with an i5 2 tb hard drive 16 gb ram 650 ti and the motherboard
[12:55]<jamer> and psu
[12:55]<+camerongray> For your new desktop?
[12:55]<jamer> for him
[12:56]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:56]<+camerongray> Any idea on what board/PSU it is? :P
[12:56]<jamer> asus board and consair psu
[12:56]<+camerongray> That sounds good then
[12:56]<jamer> http://mibpaste.com/XhnaMr
[12:57]<+camerongray> But I'd drop the RAM down, get a better GPU and add an SSD
[12:57]<jamer> doesnt want a ssd .. and for him the ram is needed XD
[12:57]<+camerongray> Ahh
[12:57]<+camerongray> "Not wanting" an SSD seems a bit mental :P
[12:57]<jamer> wants storage ...
[12:58]<+camerongray> You'd have both :P
[12:58]<+camerongray> SSD+HDD
[12:58]<jamer> i know XD
[12:58]<jamer> i tried telling him that but he insisted on just a regular
[12:58]<jamer> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130828
[12:58]<jamer> thats the gpu
[12:59]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[12:59]<+camerongray> For a gaming machine I would beef that up :P
[12:59]<+camerongray> But it's not bad
[12:59]<jamer> all he wants to do for on it is play gta
[12:59]<+camerongray> Ahh
[13:01]<jamer> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131836
[13:01]<jamer> thats the motherboard
[13:01]<+camerongray> Hmm
[13:01]<+camerongray> I assume he doesn't want to overclock and didn't get the 'k' CPU?
[13:01]<jamer> him and overclocking would be a nightmare
[13:02]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[13:03]<jamer> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115233
[13:03]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, that's fine then
[13:04]<jamer> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220735
[13:13]<+camerongray> What does he need 16gb RAM for? :P
[13:14]<+camerongray> I feel like I should have 16gb but I never seem to even use the 8gb I have
[13:34]<jamer> he does alot with rendering
[13:34]<jamer> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Ideacentre-K410-Core-i3-3220-3-3GHz-6GB-Ram-1TB-HDD-/161141550153?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item2584c8ec49 is what i want
[13:35]<jamer> i would love that
[13:37]<+camerongray> Hmm, why?
[13:37]<jamer> basically what i want in a desktop form
[13:38]<+camerongray> Hmm - I'd build it yourself really
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[13:51]<jamer> hm .... 300 dollars for a desktop ...
[13:53]<+camerongray> You get what you pay for :P
[13:55]<jamer> im not gonna get a gpu till later ...
[13:56]<+camerongray> Then I really wouldn't get that as the PSU will be weak
[13:56]<+camerongray> Premade machines include the minumum they can get away with - No headrooom for GPUs
[14:17]<Immental1200> True ^
[14:17]<jamer> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-VOSTRO-430-Intel-i5-750-2-67GHz-8GB-1TB-1000GB-Win-7-Pro-Desktop-PC-/291008277308?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item43c171eb3c
[14:19]<+camerongray> Same issue there
[14:19]<Immental1200> Yeah..
[14:19]<Immental1200> I'd save
[14:19]<Immental1200> I mean, while it's a lovely PC
[14:20]<Immental1200> It's no good for us on here
[14:20]<Immental1200> I mean, we're not average users
[14:20]<jamer> its better than the one i have currently
[14:20]<Immental1200> And it'd crap out if used 14/7 as a server
[14:20]<+camerongray> It's fine for people like me for work stuff, but not for gaming
[14:20]<Immental1200> Realistically, if you put your current GPU in that...
[14:20]<Immental1200> It'll be the bottleneck
[14:20]<+camerongray> I wouldn't say it would bottleneck but it's a business PC, not gaming
[14:20]<+camerongray> To put a GPU in there you would need a new PSU
[14:20]<jamer> the vostro has a geforce 310
[14:21]<+camerongray> Yeah....
[14:21]<Immental1200> Which is like
[14:21]<Immental1200> Intergrated
[14:21]<+camerongray> Yeah, crap CPU
[14:21]<Immental1200> With nVidia drivers
[14:21]<+camerongray> GPU*
[14:21]<Immental1200> Only benefit of a 310 over intergrated
[14:21]<Immental1200> Is the extra display capability
[14:21]<+camerongray> If you want a gaming PC, build a gaming PC, don't get a machine designed for office use and try to convert it into a half-baked gaming machine
[14:22]<jamer> same issue here is money ...
[14:22]<+camerongray> Then save up
[14:22]<+camerongray> Otherwise it will cost you more down the line as you start having to replace parts to add things like GPUs
[14:22]<jamer> :(
[14:23]<+camerongray> It's like getting a sensible family car and trying to make it perform like a sports car
[14:23]<+camerongray> Vostros/Optiplexes.etc are great, but as business machines
[14:24]<+camerongray> I have an Optiplex 980 at work, great machine for business use, i7 even but there is no chance you could even think about getting games on it
[14:24]<+camerongray> You would need a GPU but the PSU is only 280w, then to get that you would need a special SFF PSU then you run into the issue of cooling it all
[14:24]<Immental1200> ew...
[14:24]<Immental1200> Optiplex
[14:24]<+camerongray> Think it has a Radeon 3450 in it at the moment
[14:25]<+camerongray> What's wrong with optiplexes, best business machines aroundIMO
[14:25]<Immental1200> They perform well, look nice but are overpriced
[14:25]<jamer> standard atx power supply in the vostro 430
[14:26]<+camerongray> Sure they are expensive, but that's for the quality
[14:26]<Immental1200> They're also a bitch to get custom parts for if something breaks.
[14:26]<+camerongray> jamer: Even then, still seems daft
[14:26]<Immental1200> Look at it this way.
[14:26]<Immental1200> $300 on the vostro
[14:26]<Immental1200> $90 on a new psu
[14:26]<Immental1200> $250 on a new gpu
[14:26]<+camerongray> If money is tight, why are you buying something that you know you need to replace stuff in when you could just get the right stuff in the first place!
[14:26]<Immental1200> $60 on a hdd upgrade
[14:26]<Immental1200> That's $700
[14:26]<+camerongray> And you still have a First-Generation i5
[14:26]<jamer> Immental1200 1 tb drive ...
[14:26]<Immental1200> Could build a system for that...
[14:27]<Immental1200> It's at the point where it's likely to fail
[14:27]<jamer> and im not looking at 250 dollars for a gpu
[14:27]<+camerongray> I wouldn't say that
[14:27]<+camerongray> But even forgetting the HDD and say a $100 GPU
[14:27]<Immental1200> They're the shitty cheap Dell branded ones that last 4 years.
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[14:27]<Immental1200> I've had craploads fail...
[14:27]<Immental1200> I hate you ChanBot.
[14:27]<Immental1200> Go die.
[14:27]<+camerongray> lol
[14:28]<jamer> 100 for the gpu and then 50 for a psu ...
[14:28]<+camerongray> Old CPU
[14:29]<+camerongray> Old motherboard
[14:29]<+camerongray> Fairly low quality motherboard
[14:29]<+camerongray> Basic case without good cooling for GPU
[14:30]<jamer> what im trying to say is i need a computer without spending over 350 dollars and something that is better than mine
[14:30]<+camerongray> Then build one
[14:30]<+camerongray> Or wait and save up
[14:30]<+camerongray> Not saying you can't build one then upgrade later - That's a good idea
[14:30]<+camerongray> At least if you build it you'll have quality parts to start with
[14:34]<Immental1200> camerongray - Guess what I got today?
[14:34]<+camerongray> what?
[14:34]<Immental1200> HTC One
[14:34]<+camerongray> Nice!
[14:34]<Immental1200> I think I'm in love.
[14:35]<+camerongray> Should have got a Nexus 5 :P
[14:35]<Immental1200> You can gaurantee
[14:35]<Immental1200> It's going to be more expensive
[14:35]<Immental1200> Whereas I got mine on 3 with unlimited data, 500 minutes, 5000 texts and free 4G upgrade when available in my area.
[14:36]<+camerongray> Nexus 5 is dirt cheap :P
[14:37]<+camerongray> Think it's like £230 for the 16gb mode
[14:37]<+camerongray> model*
[14:37]<Immental1200> But but but
[14:37]<Immental1200> I don't want a 5" screen
[14:37]<Immental1200> I struggled at times with my 4.3 due to the phones body
[14:37]<Immental1200> I am at my limit with 4.7
[14:37]<Immental1200> No bigger!!!
[14:37]<+camerongray> My Nexus 4 is 4.7 as well
[14:38]<+camerongray> The Nexus 5 is almost no bigger since the screen goes right to the edge
[14:38]<Immental1200> That is true
[14:38]<Immental1200> But I feel like I'd break it
[14:38]<Immental1200> And it has to last two years.
[14:38]<+camerongray> huh?
[14:38]<+camerongray> Why would a nexus break and a HTC not?
[14:38]<Immental1200> It's all plasticy
[14:38]<Immental1200> Isn't it?
[14:39]<+camerongray> Back is plastic yeah
[14:39]<+camerongray> If anything plastic is tougher as it absorbs shock
[14:40]<Immental1200> I suppose...
[14:40]<Immental1200> I didn't even look at other phones really.
[14:41]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[14:41]<+camerongray> The HTC one is a great phone
[14:41]<+camerongray> But all other high end phones seem stupildy expensive compared to the Nexus
[14:42]<jamer> my s2 ive dropped so many times its not even funny
[14:42]<Immental1200> Bollocks.
[14:42]<Immental1200> Tempted to return this and get the nexus...
[14:42]<+camerongray> lol
[14:42]<+camerongray> Aren't you on a contract though?
[14:42]<Immental1200> I have a 7 day period
[14:42]<Immental1200> To make up my mind.
[14:42]<+camerongray> Ahh
[14:43]<+camerongray> I'd consider it then
[14:43]<Immental1200> I can make up some crap about no signal at work...
[14:43]<Immental1200> Which is true
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[14:43]<+camerongray> Work out the cost of the HTC One vs a Nexus 5 on a sim only deal
[14:43]<Immental1200> All but one network gets no signal most of the time in the office
[14:43]<Immental1200> On a sim only?
[14:43]<Immental1200> It's an obvious choice.
[14:43]<+camerongray> Yeah
[14:43]<Immental1200> But if I get it on contract I get coverage with it... warranty + more phone support, etc.
[14:44]<+camerongray> Sim only meaning you pay the contract but only for the data/calls/text, not the phone
[14:44]<Immental1200> Yes.
[14:44]<Immental1200> But at the moment, if it goes funky
[14:44]<Immental1200> The store is 10 minutes away
[14:44]<Immental1200> And they'll just replace it
[14:44]<+camerongray> True
[14:44]<+camerongray> You would just have to send the Nexus back though and they will send a replacement
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[14:44]<Immental1200> With me buying it I have to deal with the hassle of sending it...
[14:44]<Immental1200> Yeah.
[14:44]<+camerongray> And I've had 2 nexuses in the last 2 years and never had a fault
[14:44]<Immental1200> Why two?
[14:45]<+camerongray> Had a Galaxy Nexus and moved to a Nexus 5
[14:45]<Nat> because one had a fault
[14:45]<Nat> :P
[14:45]<+camerongray> Nexus 4*
[14:45]<Immental1200> Ah.
[14:45]<Immental1200> Well... I'm impressed with this thing.
[14:45]<Immental1200> It's incredibly fast
[14:45]<+camerongray> Yeah it is
[14:45]<Immental1200> And I've gotten 9.8Mbps on 3G
[14:45]<+camerongray> My flatmate has an HTC one
[14:45]<Immental1200> (3G+)
[14:45]<Immental1200> Which is insane...
[14:45]<+camerongray> But they are very expensive :P
[14:45]<Immental1200> Yeah but
[14:46]<Immental1200> It's not even got jellybean yet
[14:46]<Immental1200> So, think what it's gonna be like with it :O
[14:46]<Immental1200> It's gonna shoot
[14:46]<+camerongray> Wow
[14:46]<+camerongray> See, that's why I get Nexuses
[14:46]<+camerongray> You actually get updates :P
[14:46]<Immental1200> It was delayed
[14:46]<Immental1200> Meant to be middle of last month
[14:46]<Immental1200> Now it's in like 2 weeks
[14:46]<+camerongray> I'm getting KitKat in a couple of weeks!
[14:46]<Immental1200> UK is behind rest of Europe
[14:46]<+camerongray> And HTC are just putting on JellyBean
[14:47]<Immental1200> I'm not too bothered honestly.
[14:47]<+camerongray> True, I'd really consider a Nexus though - Probably a lot cheaper
[14:47]<Immental1200> £3 a month cheaper on contract.
[14:47]<Immental1200> I wonder how much extra cash they're making there...
[14:47]<Immental1200> Bastards.
[14:48]<+camerongray> You'll need to work out the pricing but the nexus should be a lot less
[14:48]<+camerongray> Could even get something like GiffGaff
[14:48]<Immental1200> No
[14:48]<Immental1200> They use o2
[14:48]<Immental1200> o2 can kill themselves.
[14:48]<+camerongray> lol
[14:48]<Immental1200> Three went down once, 5 years ago.
[14:48]<Immental1200> O2 has been down three times this year...
[14:49]<Immental1200> In my area, two of those times were over 24 hours.
[14:49]<Immental1200> EE is a joke
[14:49]<Immental1200> T-Mobile and Orange are useless
[14:49]<+camerongray> True
[14:49]<Immental1200> All they do is promote EE
[14:49]<+camerongray> Then work out how much it would cost for a nexus vs HTC One on Three
[14:50]<+camerongray> Well, That's becasuse T-Mobile and Orange ARE EE
[14:50]<Immental1200> I'd need cash upfront...
[14:50]<Immental1200> £300 worth
[14:50]<Immental1200> And I'd be competing with all the bastards who pre-ordered.
[14:50]<+camerongray> lol
[14:51]<Immental1200> 2GB RAM, 32GB storage. 1.7Ghz quad core.
[14:51]<Immental1200> Versus
[14:51]<Immental1200> 2GB RAM, 16GB storage, 2.3GHz quad core.
[14:51]<Immental1200> All I'm getting is CPU power.
[14:51]<+camerongray> Better OS updates
[14:51]<Immental1200> That extra little screen space is meaningless to me
[14:51]<Immental1200> The SD is nice.
[14:51]<+camerongray> And less bundled crap
[14:51]<+camerongray> So should be faster
[14:51]<Immental1200> I have no bundled crap
[14:51]<Immental1200> I found 4 apps I wasn't keen on.
[14:52]<Immental1200> 3 from three, one from HTC.
[14:52]<Immental1200> I just disabled them, bam ... gone.
[14:52]<Immental1200> Didn't even need to root it./
[14:52]<+camerongray> You are also paying more for the HTC :P
[14:52]<Immental1200> I'm aware.
[14:52]<Immental1200> Can I make a confession?
[14:53]<Immental1200> I /may/ be a HTC fanboy.
[14:53]<+camerongray> lol
[14:53]<Immental1200> I mean, let's look at my phone history...
[14:53]<+camerongray> I've used them in the bast,wasn't super impressed
[14:53]<Immental1200> Black and white nokia.
[14:53]<+camerongray> It was nice, but nothing special
[14:53]<Immental1200> Colour nokia.
[14:53]<+camerongray> And 'sense' felt clunky
[14:53]<Immental1200> Some off-brand LCD keypad thing with a camera.
[14:54]<Immental1200> Some nokia LCD keypad thing with a camera.
[14:54]<Immental1200> T-Mobile Vairy Touch II
[14:54]<Immental1200> HTC TynTn II
[14:54]<Immental1200> HTC ChaCha
[14:54]<Immental1200> HTC Desire HD
[14:54]<Immental1200> Now... HTC One
[14:54]<+camerongray> never experienced pure android then :P
[14:54]<Immental1200> Not true.
[14:54]<Immental1200> I stuck android on the TynTn II
[14:55]<+camerongray> What version
[14:55]<Immental1200> Erm 2.1?
[14:55]<+camerongray> Ahh
[14:55]<+camerongray> Pure android used to suck - Hence people like HTC modifying it
[14:55]<Immental1200> It was the bees knees back in 2010/09
[14:55]<+camerongray> Now it's great
[14:55]<Immental1200> Android on a Windows Mobile device.
[14:55]<Immental1200> See... I like Sense
[14:56]<+camerongray> My Dad's phone has it - Desire S - Feels so clunky in comparison to mine
[14:56]<Immental1200> The issue there...
[14:56]<Immental1200> Is that it's a desire S
[14:56]<Immental1200> Which is a shit phone.
[14:56]<Immental1200> You NEED power behind you.
[14:56]<+camerongray> But then that's the power wasted on the UI
[14:56]<Immental1200> HTC Desire HD - best phone you could get back in 2010. Which is why 2.3.5 with Sense was perfect.
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[14:57]<+camerongray> Something desire S spec would run stock android easily
[14:57]<Immental1200> ChaCha - 2011 phone, sense was pretty damn good there too.
[14:57]<Immental1200> Issues I had with it were storage controller related, IE apps on the SD card, which then screwed over things.
[14:57]<Immental1200> Apart from that, never had an issue.
[14:58]<Immental1200> If ... you exclude my rooting attempt, failed flashing... that I got HTC to fix under a dodgyish warranty claim... I've never ever had a single issue.
[14:59]<+camerongray> Great... so now HTC are out of pocket for you breaking something...
[15:00]<Immental1200> Well, no.
[15:00]<Immental1200> They didn't replace it.
[15:00]<Immental1200> It was a software thing.
[15:00]<+camerongray> Hmm, I suppose
[15:00]<+camerongray> Still their engineer time
[15:01]<Immental1200> Its part of the price you pay when you buy the device.
[15:01]<Immental1200> The warranty cover and support.
[15:02]<Immental1200> Only issue I have with my first ever contract is that it's legally in my Grandad's name...
[15:02]<+camerongray> Well, that's to cover manufacturing faults, not your ones
[15:02]<Immental1200> Can't run a credit check on a legal minor.
[15:03]<Immental1200> Ooh... something you might know
[15:03]<Immental1200> How the hell can I get rid off all my google contacts?
[15:03]<Immental1200> I was able to delete like 140 of them through the phone
[15:03]<Immental1200> But the rest appear to be locked via Google
[15:03]<Immental1200> And I can't delete them without removing the Google account
[15:04]<Immental1200> I did something with the ChaCha two years ago, and it's still giving me hell. I mean, I got emailed a full SMS log for just one contact.
[15:04]<Immental1200> And it only ever happened once, I never asked for it ... I mean, not a clue.
[15:05]<Immental1200> I've a feeling that it's going to be under the google dashboard
[15:05]<Immental1200> But I get lost in that...
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[15:06]<Immental1200> Ah. Found them.
[15:06]<Immental1200> They're my Google+ circle contacts...
[15:06]<Immental1200> And I can't remove them without taking them out the circles -_-
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[16:48]<jamer> sorry camerongray for acting out before on the desktop
[17:15]<Immental1200> Hmm.
[17:15]<Immental1200> HTC Backup, or Google Backup?
[17:32]<jamer> Immental1200 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2337872
[17:33]<Immental1200> Google it is!
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[22:50]<@BC_Programming> heh I keep pressing Shift-Insert instead of Shift+Home
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